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FINANCE COMMITTEE
OCTOBER 7, 2003
MUNICIPAL COMPLEX, ROOM 103
Present: Paul Gawrych, Chair, Kruger Smith, Thomasena Stokes-
Marshall, Gary Santos
Also: Larry Carr
Staff: Mac Burdette, Colleen Jernigan, Eric DeMoura, Ed
Barbee, Belinda Profitko
Mr. Gawrych called the meeting to order at 1:30 p.m.
Mr. Santos moved to add Discussion of funding for the
Hungryneck Boulevard project to the agenda as #5. Ms. Stokes-
Marshall seconded the motion. All in favor.
Mr. Stokes-Marshall moved to amend the agenda and move item #4
to item #2. Mr. Smith seconded the motion. All in favor.
Mr. Smith moved to add Discussion of purchase of Town property
in Shemwood II to the agenda as item #6. Mr. Santos seconded
the motion. All in favor.
1. Approval of Minutes
Mr. Santos moved to approve the minutes from the previous
meeting. Mr. Smith seconded the motion. All in favor.
2. CARTA consortium – purchase of property
Mr. Smith asked if this was for information only. Mr. Burdette
answered in the affirmative and stated that a full presentation
would be provided at the Town Council meeting scheduled for
October 14, 2003.
Mr. Burdette stated that Mayor Hallman asked him to attend a
meeting of area mayors, County Council Chairman, Tim Scott, and
various staff and administrators. He stated that Mayor Summey,
Mayor Riley, Isle of Palms Mayor, Administrator from City of
Hanahan and various staff were in attendance. He stated that
there was lengthy discussion on how much longer CARTA could
remain operational given the budgetary constraints CARTA is
facing with the ruling from the Supreme Court over the half
cent sales tax referendum. He stated that Mr. Chapman was
present to answer any questions and would be present at the
Town Council meeting to give a presentation to the entire Town
Council on this issue.
Mr. Burdette stated that without a new revenue source, the time
that CARTA could remain operational would be very limited. He
stated that CARTA is proposing to sell their maintenance
building, which is estimated at $7 million, but this would only
be a short term solution. He stated that if the building were
sold, CARTA could remain operational until the spring of 2004.
He stated that it would appear that until the Supreme Court
rules differently on the half cent sales tax or another
referendum is proposed and passes in 2004, additional short-
term solutions or “band-aids” would have to be used. He stated
that there are various options that could be used to keep CARTA
operational.
Mr. Burdette stated that there was some reluctance from Mayor
Summey on his ability to convince his City Council to commit to
an investment for CARTA, without there being an end in sight
and a plan. He stated that he relayed to those present that
Mount Pleasant Town Council would not likely desire to invest
capital if the two major cities that would be the primary
beneficiaries of CARTA were not willing to invest at an even
greater level than the Town would participate. He stated that
Mayor Riley was very strong in his intent to have his City
Council invest in this venture.
Mr. Burdette stated that Mr. Charlton DeSaussure, attorney for
CARTA and Tim Scott, Charleston County Chairman, were also in
attendance. He stated that Mr. DeSaussure was available to
speak about bond issues and the various ways they could be
structured. He stated that Mr. DeSaussure suggested that the
best way to keep CARTA operational until the spring or summer
of next year is through the purchase of the building or for
Charleston County to purchase the building. Mr. Scott
indicated that he was not sure that Charleston County Council
would desire to be involved as a primary investor because of
the $3 million requirement for the new bridge. He stated that
later on, Mr. Scott indicated that County Council might be
willing to be involved as a participant.
Mr. Burdette stated that Mr. DeSaussure proposed using a bond
anticipation note, which is usually for one year and can
be “rolled over” for another year and possibly for a third
year. He stated that the bond would allow for the repayment of
two loans. He stated that the cost, if there were four
participants, would be approximately $25,000 a year for each
participant. He stated that a positive aspect of the bond
would be that if the referendum were upheld, or a new
referendum passed for the half cent sales tax, the building
would be purchased back by CARTA and the bond repaid. He
stated that a negative aspect would be that if there was not
another means of funding CARTA, those that signed the
anticipation note would be responsible for the building and
would then have to sell the building.
Mr. Burdette stated that the building is a good building and is
appraised at $7 million. He stated that during the meeting,
Mayor Summey offered to purchase the building for $6 million.
He stated that a consensus of selling the building for $6.5
million was reached during the meeting.
Mr. Burdette suggested that the Town was not interested in
solely investing in a building in North Charleston for the sake
of investment, but might be willing to be a participant in
something at the level of $25,000 if there was an end in
sight. He stated that currently there does not appear to be
any future plans for funding beyond the sale of the building.
He stated that there is an understanding that it would take
more funds than anyone in the County is willing to invest
unless there is a referendum to approve additional funding.
Mr. Howard Chapman, Executive Director for CARTA, stated that
it is critical to move forward with the sale of the building in
order to keep CARTA operational. He stated that the CARTA
Board passed a resolution at its last meeting to contact and
meet with area municipalities to establish a consortium. He
stated that there would be some form of public transportation,
whether it be CARTA or a private business.
Mr. Smith expressed frustration about irresponsible statements
that have been made in the press that CARTA is mismanaged. He
stated that as a member of the CARTA Board, along with Ms.
Stokes-Marshall, he was very interested in the management of
CARTA when first appointed to the Board. He stated that
through research, he has concluded that CARTA could not be
managed any better than is currently being done. He also
expressed frustration with the suggestion of using smaller
buses. He stated that the current CARTA buses were given as
part of a federal grant and were the buses that were used
during the Olympic games in Atlanta, Georgia.
Mr. Burdette suggested that the cost of operating a smaller bus
was essentially the same as the larger buses and the operator
has to be paid regardless of whether they are driving a small
or large bus.
Mr. Smith stated that the buses for purchase in the future were
to be smaller. He stated that there is a lot of misinformation
and irresponsible statements that have been made and suggested
that the public needs to recognize this. He stated that
another misconception is the statement that CARTA has high
salaries. He stated that there are four CARTA employees and
suggested that high salaries is another area of
misinformation. He stated that the maintenance is contracted
through a competitive bid process. He expressed confidence
that the best maintenance prices are being obtained. He stated
that CARTA is not a mismanaged, overpaid, poorly run company;
it is being operated in the best way possible given the
situation.
Mr. Burdette stated that he indicated at the meeting that it
has been his experience that if there was a County issue and
there was a broad base of participants, meaning the cities and
the County governments, that Mount Pleasant Town Council is
always willing to consider paying a fair share. He stated that
if the Town participated in a bond anticipation note, Mount
Pleasant’s share would be approximately $16,000. He stated
that this was based on having four participants and based on
population. He stated, of course, that more participants would
lower the amount of each one’s share.
Mr. Burdette suggested that the share amount should not be
considered solely on the amount that would be required
annually, but the responsibility that the Town would have if
they participated in the bond note and a solution was not
reached and CARTA could not remain operational. He stated that
then the building would have to be sold and it would have to be
determined if this could be realistically accomplished in short
order so that this situation could be remedied in a timely
fashion.
Mr. Smith stated that this would be a secured loan and the
municipalities would not be asked to “go out on a lark”. Mr.
Burdette agreed and stated that the building is a heavy fleet
maintenance facility with offices.
Mr. Burdette stated that he would speak with Mayor Hallman to
determine when Mr. Chapman would need to be present to speak
with Town Council and would then contact Mr. Chapman. He
suggested that the presentation could be scheduled as a special
Town Council meeting prior to the regularly scheduled Town
Council meeting. Mr. Gawrych suggested that the presentation
should be scheduled during the Town Council meeting and be
placed early on the agenda.
3. Consideration of amendment to communication tower lease
agreement
Ms. Jernigan stated that Ms. Wendy Smith and Mr. Jonathan Dyer,
from Crown Communications, were present for this issue. She
stated that Crown Communications is requesting to amend the
agreement with the Town to use T-arm mounts instead of flush
mounts and also to increase the rental fee charged for each
additional carrier. She stated that a copy of Ms. Smith’s e-
mail to staff was provided to the Committee, which outlines the
amendments requested.
Mr. Burdette stated that at the time the request for a tower
was brought to Town Council, there was some hesitancy to allow
the installation. He suggested that there was not a better
location to place a tower than amongst light poles, as it is
currently installed.
Mr. Gawrych agreed and stated that it is somewhat difficult to
find the tower at Park West amongst the light poles.
Mr. Burdette suggested that the citizens would not have a
complaint, particularly because there is revenue being
generated from this and would increase the revenue stream in
the future.
Mr. Smith stated that he does not object with SCE&G placing
antennas on their poles in remote areas such as the Snowden
Community, but expressed concern with the antennas being placed
on the poles along Johnnie Dodds Boulevard. Mr. Burdette
stated that this request did not involve SCE&G and suggested
that this was a good venture for the Town.
Mr. Smith asked if the request was for T-arm mounts and to
increase the rent. Mr. Burdette answered in the affirmative
and stated that this would also allow for more revenue to be
generated for a third generation than the contract currently
allows because more carriers can be accommodated on the tower.
Mr. Dyer gave a PowerPoint presentation for the Committee.
Ms. Smith stated that the current lease allows the Town to
receive $1200 a month for the initial installation and for the
second carrier it would be $400 a month, with the Town not
receiving any consideration for subsequent carriers. She
stated that the lease restricts the type of antenna mounts used
to flush mounts, which limits the number of carriers that can
be installed on the tower. She stated that when Triton was
placed on the tower, T-arms were installed instead of flush
mounts and it was agreed with staff that once a second carrier
was installed on the tower this mistake would be corrected.
She stated that it is proposed to increase the monthly rental
for a second carrier to $500 a month, and $500 a month for each
subsequent carrier.
Mr. Smith asked how many antennas could be placed on the
tower. Ms. Smith answered that the tower would allow for four
antenna arrays. She stated that due to the spatial diversity,
the flush mounts would only allow for two antennas to be
installed, but with the T-arm mounts up to four antenna arrays
could be installed.
Mr. Gawrych asked if the request was only for the tower in Park
West. Ms. Smith answered in the affirmative.
Mr. Smith asked if the tower could be raised to allow for more
antenna arrays. Ms. Smith answered in the negative and stated
that due to the proximity of the runway at the airport, a
higher tower could not be installed.
Mr. Smith asked about the incremental increase in rent. Mr.
Dyer answered that every five years, the lease allows for a 15%
increase in the monthly rental rate.
Mr. Santos asked if the antennas emit radiation. Mr. Dyer
answered in the affirmative and stated that the antennas emit a
radio frequency, which is a type of radiation. He stated that
the radiation is not harmful, unless in direct line of the
source of radiation, which would be the antennas. He stated
that the technicians are aware of this, and safety measures are
taken to ensure no harm. Mr. Santos asked if the radiation
levels are monitored. Mr. Dyer answered in the affirmative and
stated that all employees are required to wear frequency
monitors, which sound off an alarm if they are exposed to radio
frequencies above the acceptable threshold. Mr. Santos asked
if the Town receives a copy of the reports and suggested that
the Town should receive copies of the reports.
Mr. Smith suggested that the Town should have access to the
reports. Mr. Santos suggested that the report should be
provided to the Town. Mr. Burdette asked if it could be
stipulated in the contract to have access to any radiation
emission records. Mr. Dyer answered in the affirmative and
stated that the FCC regulates radio frequency emissions and
does not allow hazardous installations. He stated that reports
of the radiation strength could be provided if desired. Mr.
Burdette and Mr. Santos stated that this was the report that
was desired.
Mr. Burdette suggested that the schools have satellite dishes
that emit more RADS than the antennas.
Mr. Gawrych asked if the tower was fenced. Mr. Burdette
answered in the affirmative and stated that there is a small
building located at the base of the tower as well. Mr. Dyer
answered that the fence is locked with a stymie lock, which is
a long steel bar that slides into a sleeve. He stated that
there is barbed wire at the top of the fence.
Mr. Smith asked Mr. Kassis if SCE&G is planning on installing
more antennas at the top of their utility poles. Mr. Kassis
answered that a request would be considered. Mr. Burdette
stated that SCE&G is not involved with this request. Mr. Smith
understood, but stated that SCE&G has a lot of poles in the
Town and he wanted to know how frequently antennas would be
installed.
Mr. Santos asked when the RAD information for the report is
taken. Mr. Dyer answered that the RAD emission is tested every
two years, but Crown Castle has their own testing equipment.
Mr. Burdette requested that Crown Castle conduct a RAD emission
test within the next few months. Mr. Santos stated that he
would like to know what the emission levels were before and
after installing the new carrier and expressed concern with the
number of children that play sports in the vicinity of the
tower. Mr. Burdette asked if a baseline reading could be taken
now and then another reading done after the second carrier was
installed. Mr. Dyer answered that this could be accomplished.
Mr. Gawrych asked about the requirement for future co-
locations. Mr. Burdette answered that this refers to co-
locations on the pole and not installing an additional pole.
Ms. Jernigan asked when the second carrier would be installed.
Ms. Smith answered that the second carrier is ready to install
the antennas and was waiting on Town Council approval for the
antenna type that could be used. She suggested that the second
carrier would be installed by November 2003.
Mr. Barbee stated that Crown Castle is required under the
contract to notify the Town before another carrier is
installed.
Mr. Santos moved to recommend to Town Council approval of the
use of T-arms and contract amendments as presented by staff,
with the addition that a RAD report be submitted to the Town on
a periodic or annual basis. Mr. Smith seconded the motion.
Mr. Burdette stated that a baseline reading would be taken
before the second carrier was installed and a subsequent
reading would be taken after the second carrier was installed.
Mr. Smith suggested that the information could be available
upon the Town’s request to eliminate additional generation of
paperwork. Mr. Santos suggested that Crown Castle should be
required to submit the report on a periodic or annual basis.
Mr. Dyer stated that the information that would also provide
potential health risks would be easy to provide. Mr. Santos
stated that he would like that information included in the
report.
Ms. Jernigan clarified that the motion would allow staff to
move forward and amend the agreement, with the Town Attorney
amending the terminology of the contract without further review
by this Committee.
Mr. Gawrych called for a vote on the motion. All in favor.
4. Discuss estimates for placing power lines under ground
for tree protection (Town-wide)
Mr. Gawrych suggested that a town-wide plan or project should
be considered with regard to undergrounding power lines. He
stated that preserving trees is important, but suggested that a
town-wide plan would be beneficial.
Mr. Santos stated that he previously brought up having
participatory-type projects to underground power lines in
different areas of the Town, but this was not well accepted
because of possibly being seen as discriminatory between
various areas of the Town. Mr. Burdette stated that it was
discussed that if the franchise fee was increased, but power
lines in certain areas were underground, there could be
criticism from other areas of the Town that have not had the
power lines underground. Mr. Santos stated that previously
Christ Our King wanted to have a participatory project to
underground power lines, but it was brought up that other areas
would not have the same option or benefit and so the issue was
dropped. Mr. Burdette suggested that the issue was discussed
at the Planning Committee and staff began working on the
issue.
Mr. Santos suggested that a Town-wide plan would be
beneficial. He suggested that the plan could begin with
critical tree areas and then be expanded.
Mr. Smith suggested that the Planning staff could work on the
Town-wide plan. Mr. Burdette suggested that SCE&G would be the
appropriate agency. Mr. Smith stated that he envisioned the
plan would be similar to the Comprehensive Plan and would
encompass the issue of trees, Shem Creek, Johnnie Dodds
Boulevard, Coleman Boulevard, etc. Mr. Burdette suggested that
the current staff would not be able to complete this project at
this time and suggested that the project would take at least a
year to complete. Mr. Smith asked if an intern could work on
the project. Mr. Burdette answered that an intern might not be
able to finish the project because of the large scope. He
stated that staff has been working for several years about
undergrounding power lines on Coleman Boulevard and have worked
the past two to three years to place power lines underground
for a small section of Coleman Boulevard. He stated that there
is a lot involved with placing the power lines underground
because of the various utilities that are currently located
underground in that area. He suggested that it was a very
complicated issue.
Mr. Burdette suggested that staff would need the appropriate
resources and suggested that a consultant or consulting agency
might be more important.
Mr. Gawrych agreed that this was a big, complicated project,
but suggested that this was a wonderful opportunity for the
Town. He expressed confidence that this could be
accomplished.
Mr. Smith stated that SCE&G has compiled a plan based on the
criteria provided by the Town. Mr. Burdette stated that
interns identified critical areas and this information was
provided to SCE&G to provide a cost estimate for placing power
lines underground in these areas. Mr. Smith suggested that
there was not a sense of urgency to underground power lines in
the critical tree areas.
Mr. Santos disagreed.
Mr. Smith suggested that there were other things that were
equally important and suggested that there should be a
systematic approach to undergrounding power lines, similar to
the Stormwater program.
Mr. Gawrych stated that each Town Council member has an idea on
how to proceed on this issue.
Mr. Santos stated that an intern has researched which areas
should be a priority. He suggested that there is some urgency
with regard to ensuring that the historic trees do not continue
to be disfigured. He suggested that there is an opportunity at
this time to preserve these historic trees. He stated that he
has been contacted by SCE&G about when the trimming of the
trees can continue. He suggested that this issue has been in
the works for several months and the Town should move forward.
Mr. Smith suggested that there is more with this issue than
merely the preservation of the trees.
Mr. Gawrych stated that this issue was also discussed at the
Planning Committee, which was held on October 6, 2003.
Mr. Santos suggested that the franchise fee would have to be
increased in order to have the funds for this project. He
stated that other options were previously discussed, but not
approved.
Mr. Carr asked what the cost estimate was for the project. Ms.
Jernigan answered that the cost estimate was $1.2 million.
Mr. Gawrych asked how many areas were identified. Ms. Jernigan
answered that there were seven areas identified. Mr. Burdette
suggested that these were small areas in consideration of the
size of the Town.
Mr. Carr stated that the Planning Committee discussed this
project in the context of the seven identified areas. He asked
if some of the areas identified are of concern to SCE&G with
regard to trimming the trees and if there are some time
constraints for some of those areas. Mr. Kassis stated that
the tree trimming is established through a cycle, so there are
several of the identified areas that are on the circuit to be
trimmed. He stated that in some cases there may be a five or
six year span since the last time work has been done in that
area. He stated, for example, that the area of Camilia Drive
has not been trimmed for approximately six years. He stated
that if the trimming is not done, there could be approximately
150 residents that would experience power outages.
Mr. Smith asked if a large “L” or “Y” cut would have to be made
when trimming the trees. Mr. Kassis answered that when
trimmed, the limbs are sufficiently cut back to accommodate the
established cycle. He stated that the trimming is necessary to
avoid any disruption of service due to fallen limbs or
interference from limbs.
Mr. Burdette asked if the Town approved $20,000, for example,
for a long-term design plan for undergrounding power lines,
would SCE&G be able to match those funds through the non-
standard service agreement to complete a plan. Mr. Kassis
answered that this could be accomplished. Mr. Burdette stated
that the ultimate plan would be for the areas identified to be
more aesthetically pleasing, to have sustained power during
storm events, and preservation of trees. He stated that areas
with transmission lines would not be able to be placed
underground and therefore the distribution line that is
underneath of it would not have to be placed underground. He
stated that this would be a consideration in developing the
design plan.
Ms. Stokes-Marshall stated that SCE&G is a huge utility
conglomerate and asked if there are any long-term plans to
underground power lines. Mr. Kassis answered in the negative.
He stated that the rates as filed with the Public Service
Commission are standard overhead rates. He stated that if
every request from every municipality in the Charleston area
were to be completed the cost would be approximately $40
million. Ms. Stokes-Marshall stated that given the amount of
requests for undergrounding power lines from municipalities,
has SCE&G even considered having a long-term plan for
undergrounding power lines. Mr. Kassis answered in the
negative. Mr. Burdette stated that generally the requests are
primarily for aesthetic reasons. Ms. Stokes-Marshall stated
that the Charleston area is prone to hurricanes, high winds,
and major storm events, which could cause the overhead power
lines to cause a major catastrophe. She suggested that a
conglomerate such as SCE&G should have a long-term future plan
for addressing the need for undergrounding of power lines.
Mr. Kassis stated that the current rate for electric power is
eight cents per kilowatt hour, which is a great rate. He
suggested that if the public was willing to pay a higher rate,
such as sixteen or seventeen cents per kilowatt hour, as in the
northeast, then SCE&G would have more funds to accomplish
more. He stated that there has never been an interest on a
state or commission level to have higher rates.
Mr. Gawrych stated that at the Planning Committee he asked what
the long-term cost was for above-ground and underground power
lines with regard to repair, upkeep, etc. and Mr. Kassis
indicated at that time that the cost was approximately the
same. He suggested that the obvious decision might be to
underground the power lines, but there are business
considerations in making that decision.
Mr. Burdette stated that SCE&G would match the Town funds up to
$250,000 per year. Mr. Kassis stated that if the Town stated
that they desired to underground all of the power lines in
Mount Pleasant, he would be able to give the Town an estimated
cost within $10 million and then would have to get permission
from the Public Service Commission for approval.
Mr. Smith agreed with Mr. Burdette that there are areas in the
Town where it would not be wise to underground the power lines,
such as in areas where there is a transmission line. He
suggested that a plan should be designed that would show which
areas could be accomplished within reason, be economical, and
would bring in more than simply preservation of trees.
Mr. Burdette suggested that in order to determine the cost of
the project for a certain area, the various utilities would
have to “overlay” the position of their utilities. He stated
that it is not simply moving the power lines, the other
utilities have to be given consideration.
Mr. Smith asked if the other utilities were considered in the
cost estimate for the seven areas. Mr. Kassis answered in the
affirmative and stated that the estimated cost was $1.2
million. Mr. Burdette stated that these projects represented
about 1/20 of the Town.
Mr. Burdette suggested that in order to accomplish the project,
the utilities that are already underground must be considered
and identified. He stated that for the Shem Creek area, the
biggest cost was conflicts with location of utilities.
Mr. Santos asked if the estimated cost for the seven areas was
$1.2 million, then the Town’s share would be approximately
$600,000. Mr. Burdette suggested that the project would have
to be completed over several years as SCE&G would only match up
to $250,000 per year. He stated that based on this, it would
take approximately two and half years to complete. He
suggested that the Town’s share could come from Hospitality Tax
funds for tourist areas. He stated that Accommodations Tax
Funds could also be used.
Mr. Santos asked if Tree Bank Funds could be used. Mr.
Burdette answered in the affirmative, and stated that there is
currently $200,000 and if this is used, then other projects to
beautify the Town could not be accomplished. He stated that
Open Space Funds could also be used. He suggested that of
course, the General Fund money could be used as well. He
suggested that the best option, if undergrounding power lines
is desirable, is to have a comprehensive Town-wide plan,
starting with the tree issues. He suggested that the franchise
fee could be increased; some of the residents would be in favor
and some would be opposed. Mr. Santos stated that he was not
contacted about any opposition in raising the franchise fee
when it was last considered.
Mr. Smith stated that there were a few that were opposed to
raising the franchise fee.
Mr. Santos asked if any of the council members received a call
on raising the franchise fee. Mr. Carr answered that he did
not receive a call in favor or opposition of the franchise fee
and suggested that this was not an indication of the public
consensus.
Mr. Burdette suggested that a referendum could be done in
September 2004 relative to increasing the franchise fee.
Ms. Stokes-Marshall suggested that a referendum could be a
means of determining the public opinion relative to increasing
franchise fees.
Mr. Carr suggested that a description of the seven areas would
be beneficial. He suggested that the public would be more
likely to support this kind of concept if there is a goal to
complete Town-wide and there is a public benefit.
Mr. Smith suggested that the public would be more willing to
support a plan that has specific goals and clearly delineated
objectives. He suggested that this approach should be taken
for this project, including the identification of funding
sources.
Mr. Santos suggested that while the long-term plan is being
completed, SCE&G would continue to trim and prune the historic
trees and “disfigure” them.
Mr. Carr suggested that the critical, emergency areas could be
identified and addressed first. He asked if there were any of
the critical areas that were critical for SCE&G as well. Mr.
Santos answered that SCE&G has contacted him and expressed
concern with wanting to move forward with the tree trimming.
He suggested that moving forward with preservation of the trees
in these critical are
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